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		<title>By: Brian Go</title>
		<link>http://www.retina.net/tech/dear-apple-what-the-dock.html/comment-page-1#comment-627</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Go</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 06:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm....  I don&#039;t use my dock much, but decided to try out the dock that came with my 1st gen 2g iPhone.  Conclusion... We have SYNC.  I never use the thing so next time you&#039;re in Boston, you can have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;.  I don&#39;t use my dock much, but decided to try out the dock that came with my 1st gen 2g iPhone.  Conclusion&#8230; We have SYNC.  I never use the thing so next time you&#39;re in Boston, you can have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.retina.net/tech/dear-apple-what-the-dock.html/comment-page-1#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple isn’t the only maker of iPod cables, and iPod charge/connection cables can be bought by consumers for $1.60 each. This is no more than one would pay for MiniUSB. Furthermore, since MiniUSB by itself only does half of what the dock connector does, Apple would have to extend the format in order to maintain their current feature set. Other smartphone manufacturers already do this – devices supporting MiniUSB are using incompatible proprietary extensions to the standard to allow things like extra power input, serial I/O audio I/O and video I/O – so it’s not much different to the iPhone when you move beyond just charging and syncing the phone (and, as I showed above, there is no gouging going on for that). Given the massive momentum behind the dock connector, there are huge downsides for them to changing to a different format (if they did so, they would be accused of gouging customers because they would force the obsolescence of millions of accessories), and given the lack of any pervasive use of microUSB, there’s not much of an upside to doing so, for either consumers or for Apple.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as *docks* (you know, the topic of discussion) are concerned, its even less of an issue – Apple’s devices are about the only place one can even say there is a standard. The connector itself is a small part of the issue for docks – not only do the connectors have to be compatible, the devices also need to fit. Standardisation in docks is *impossible* unless smartphones standardise the shape, size, and connector placement in their phone. (ie: it’s impossible) Even within most individual companies, connector placements and form factors vary wildly. This is why most docks are for one device only, even if the actual connector is standard. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Apple have been fairly set on a form factor &amp; connector placement since the original iPod, and have been merely making things smaller and thinner along the way (excluding the iPad). This means they *can* have a universal dock, big enough to fit the older devices, but with inserts to make newer devices fit nicely. This is what they do – and what *only* they do. Is there *any* other manufacturer that has a forward compatible dock?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple isn’t the only maker of iPod cables, and iPod charge/connection cables can be bought by consumers for $1.60 each. This is no more than one would pay for MiniUSB. Furthermore, since MiniUSB by itself only does half of what the dock connector does, Apple would have to extend the format in order to maintain their current feature set. Other smartphone manufacturers already do this – devices supporting MiniUSB are using incompatible proprietary extensions to the standard to allow things like extra power input, serial I/O audio I/O and video I/O – so it’s not much different to the iPhone when you move beyond just charging and syncing the phone (and, as I showed above, there is no gouging going on for that). Given the massive momentum behind the dock connector, there are huge downsides for them to changing to a different format (if they did so, they would be accused of gouging customers because they would force the obsolescence of millions of accessories), and given the lack of any pervasive use of microUSB, there’s not much of an upside to doing so, for either consumers or for Apple.</p>
<p>As far as *docks* (you know, the topic of discussion) are concerned, its even less of an issue – Apple’s devices are about the only place one can even say there is a standard. The connector itself is a small part of the issue for docks – not only do the connectors have to be compatible, the devices also need to fit. Standardisation in docks is *impossible* unless smartphones standardise the shape, size, and connector placement in their phone. (ie: it’s impossible) Even within most individual companies, connector placements and form factors vary wildly. This is why most docks are for one device only, even if the actual connector is standard. </p>
<p>Apple have been fairly set on a form factor &#038; connector placement since the original iPod, and have been merely making things smaller and thinner along the way (excluding the iPad). This means they *can* have a universal dock, big enough to fit the older devices, but with inserts to make newer devices fit nicely. This is what they do – and what *only* they do. Is there *any* other manufacturer that has a forward compatible dock?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.retina.net/tech/dear-apple-what-the-dock.html/comment-page-1#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 14:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; I assumed it was meant for the dock that I owned, but this adapter was meant for some device which clearly didn’t match any thing that Apple has ever produced. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As implied by the name, the universal dock adapter is an adapter for the universal dock, which Apple produces, and which supports every iPod other than the first and second gen, and every iPhone. &lt;a href=&quot;http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB125G/C&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB125G/C&lt;/a&gt; Other apple products with docks also employ the universal docking mechanism, as do the bulk of third party docks. But universal docks are bigger, and they’re uglier, so maybe people prefer the device specific ones.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&gt;(Did you know the audio out is provided by a microphone in the base of the dock, which connects to an amplifier and then the audio out jack? It does.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Okay, now you’re trolling. Firstly, the iPhone don’t necessarily make any noise while doing audio out, and furthermore, iPods could do audio out before they had speakers! In fact, just a few paragraphs later you provide the true mechanism for audio out – &lt;a href=&quot;http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.s...&lt;/a&gt; – Pins 3 &amp; 4 on the dock connector do audio out. Maybe you should read before you write. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In general I would suggest that you read before you buy, too, but your original purchase goes beyond that. Just *looking* at the dock tells you it’s not backwards or forwards compatible – it *can’t* be, by necessity of its form! (universal docks don’t have this form and thus *can* be compatible) The fact that these docks don’t implement the internal hardware to make them forward compatible for the 3 people worldwide that dremel away at the dock to fit is about as far from treating their customers like bullshit as you can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I assumed it was meant for the dock that I owned, but this adapter was meant for some device which clearly didn’t match any thing that Apple has ever produced. </p>
<p>As implied by the name, the universal dock adapter is an adapter for the universal dock, which Apple produces, and which supports every iPod other than the first and second gen, and every iPhone. <a href="http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB125G/C" rel="nofollow">http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB125G/C</a> Other apple products with docks also employ the universal docking mechanism, as do the bulk of third party docks. But universal docks are bigger, and they’re uglier, so maybe people prefer the device specific ones.</p>
<p>&gt;(Did you know the audio out is provided by a microphone in the base of the dock, which connects to an amplifier and then the audio out jack? It does.)</p>
<p>Okay, now you’re trolling. Firstly, the iPhone don’t necessarily make any noise while doing audio out, and furthermore, iPods could do audio out before they had speakers! In fact, just a few paragraphs later you provide the true mechanism for audio out – <a href="http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://pinouts.ru/PortableDevices/ipod_pinout.s&#8230;</a> – Pins 3 &#038; 4 on the dock connector do audio out. Maybe you should read before you write. </p>
<p>In general I would suggest that you read before you buy, too, but your original purchase goes beyond that. Just *looking* at the dock tells you it’s not backwards or forwards compatible – it *can’t* be, by necessity of its form! (universal docks don’t have this form and thus *can* be compatible) The fact that these docks don’t implement the internal hardware to make them forward compatible for the 3 people worldwide that dremel away at the dock to fit is about as far from treating their customers like bullshit as you can get.</p>
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		<title>By: bound008</title>
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		<dc:creator>bound008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats great advice...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;if you buy android you won&#039;t have to worry about a choice in docks or battery life, because you won&#039;t have either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats great advice&#8230;</p>
<p>if you buy android you won&#39;t have to worry about a choice in docks or battery life, because you won&#39;t have either.</p>
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		<title>By: dudebro</title>
		<link>http://www.retina.net/tech/dear-apple-what-the-dock.html/comment-page-1#comment-611</link>
		<dc:creator>dudebro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hurr, sell something called a universal dock adapter then say it does not work with the old dock yeah it&#039;s his fault!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurr, sell something called a universal dock adapter then say it does not work with the old dock yeah it&#39;s his fault!</p>
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		<title>By: Arpee</title>
		<link>http://www.retina.net/tech/dear-apple-what-the-dock.html/comment-page-1#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 10:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i feel really good i didn&#039;t get an iphone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i feel really good i didn&#39;t get an iphone</p>
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		<title>By: 1stlucci</title>
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		<dc:creator>1stlucci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;why are there ads on your blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j,</p>
<p>why are there ads on your blog?</p>
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		<title>By: tankadin</title>
		<link>http://www.retina.net/tech/dear-apple-what-the-dock.html/comment-page-1#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>tankadin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Jobs talks you into trying anal and now you&#039;re angry because he&#039;s going too deep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Jobs talks you into trying anal and now you&#39;re angry because he&#39;s going too deep.</p>
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		<title>By: Vash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, the original iPhone dock works perfectly with the new iPhone 4. Try it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, the original iPhone dock works perfectly with the new iPhone 4. Try it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s certainly stupid, but that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s unlikely. I can well imagine they&#039;d do that, in their intensely controlled world of digital rights management. Can&#039;t have a device actually outputting copyright data in a form that could be copied with even analogue audio over jack-plug levels of losslessness...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s certainly stupid, but that doesn&#39;t mean it&#39;s unlikely. I can well imagine they&#39;d do that, in their intensely controlled world of digital rights management. Can&#39;t have a device actually outputting copyright data in a form that could be copied with even analogue audio over jack-plug levels of losslessness&#8230;</p>
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